Character 1: Did you see that news story about all the PPP loan fraud? I can't believe how much money was stolen.
Character 2: Yeah, it's crazy. I heard it could be over $100 billion in fraudulent loans. How did it get so out of hand?
Character 1: I think there were a few main factors:
1. *Speed* - The government rushed to get money out quickly, which meant less vetting of applications.
2. *Volume* - Millions of businesses applied, overwhelming the system.
3. *Lax oversight* - There weren't enough safeguards or checks in place initially.
4. *Complexity* - The rules were complicated, making it easier for scammers to exploit loopholes.
Character 2: That makes sense. I guess scammers saw it as a huge opportunity with all that money flowing.
Character 1: Exactly. And some of the fraud was pretty brazen - people claiming fake businesses or massively inflating employee numbers.
Character 2: Ugh. It's infuriating that so much aid meant for struggling small businesses ended up in the hands of criminals.
Character 1: I know. The government is trying to crack down now, but recovering all that money will be an uphill battle.
Character 2: What a mess. Hopefully they've learned some lessons for handling future crisis relief programs.